Curse

Cecil Barracks · Feb 10, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

So, I've been playing Guild Wars since just about when it came out. I have a Warrior 20 (Who's secondary switches between R/Me/Mo), ascended, finished the game, and then some. In addition to him I have a Ranger/Me Trapper, 18, in the Desert. Recently I've made an IW Mesmer/Warrior. I beat the game with Cecil (Warrior) and has since just been small-time farming for some cash (Mind you, enough to have top notch gear and what not), helping guildies, and friends. I PVP mostly on Random Arenas because it feels a lot more enjoyable when you know that both teams are going in with strangers, and not highly structured teams. I like the whole 50/50 concept.

Anyway...

Today I decided, "Lets try Heros Ascent!"

In the past I had done it (When it was Tombs) and gotten a measly 21 Fame from that one run. Since then I've pretty much avoided it. Like I said, sometimes it feels like you have no chance against those crazy Koreans. Random is more for me.

Continuing...

I go in without my IWAY build, just another Eviscerate -> Axe Rake -> Axe Twist -> Executioners damage combo. I quickly found a pretty n00b team, but hell we made it through the Ascent, and right into the first battle quickly. For a pick up group we weren't bad. Into the first battle! It was DEAD even between the teams. No one was dying. Period. Finally one of our Monks had to go, eventually we lost.

Back to the Desert.

I changed my secondary to Ranger, got my IWAY build up, and went directly back to Heroes Ascent.

"Whoa I'm lucky!" I thought.

Many parties were spamming for IWAY Warriors.

So I PM one who said you had to have teamspeak. Lucky me, I have teamspeak! So I ask him,

"IP address?"

And he tells me,

"Emote first."

I sigh.

"Well, you see, I'm not ra-"

And I was kicked.

To spare you details, this happened maybe 5 or 6 times before I had to log off in pure disgust at the community in Heroes Ascent.

You've got to be kidding me. The people there refuse to take anyone "unranked" (unless you are in a crappy group). This is one huge goddamn circle.

People new to Heroes can't get in groups -> No Rank -> No Group -> No Rank -> No Group.

How do these numbskulled "Pros" expect to get people WITH fame in their group when all they do is deny people the right to get it?

I had snobby people who think they are "leet" so they can reject people who are "insuperior" to them, because somehow, someway my ranking makes me worse than any other IWAY Warrior, regardless of the fact that I may have played the game 2/3/4x as long as they have.

/endrant

Ruvaen · Feb 10, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Well, being ranked lets people know that you know the map layouts, the map objectives and should know the general strategies involved to counter the basic cookie cutter team builds.

For example... does everyone remember their first time on the second relic run map and how well they performed as an individual? ^_~

onilink · Feb 10, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Indeed, however, how exactly are people supposed to gain that knowledge when no one lets them into their groups?

calamitykell · Feb 10, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Ruvaen

Well, being ranked lets people know that you know the map layouts

That's such a cop-out. By you saying that, you say anybody who isn't rank3 or higher doesn't know the maps at all, and they're dead weight. That's a pretty retarded stance to take.

art_ · Feb 10, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Ruvaen

Well, being ranked lets people know that you know the map layouts, the map objectives and should know the general strategies involved to counter the basic cookie cutter team builds.

For example... does everyone remember their first time on the second relic run map and how well they performed as an individual? ^_~

This is so true. I had no idea what i was supposed to be doing on relic runs, when to target the ghost etc etc when i first started pvp. Rank really does show that you have a clue as to whats going on.

Lady Frost Bite · Feb 10, 2006, 11:51 PM // 23:51

I am rank 3 atm and i could really care less about it, i got to hero's or any other place in this game to have fun.

With the skills i have and xp and the game time xp i could very well claim to be "leet" or whatever but i don't. If i go into heros with a guild group then i could very well make the people who join us be rank 9 or higher cause i have some in my group, but i don't.

Rank really means nothing, you can play iway or some other build until your fingers bleed and get to rank 3 or 6 without knowing what the hell your doing. I wouldn't worry about rank much anyway cause from what i understand fame is being reset when chapter 2 comes out cause of all the news ways you can get it..

That should make all the people who won't let you into their group because your not rank 3 or whatever feel a bit better.

Ruvaen · Feb 11, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

I'm just offering the rationalization behind ranked teams, not saying whether it's right or wrong. XD

Juicey Shake · Feb 11, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

lol @ fame reset in chapter 2--- that'd drive a million billion people insane.. I mean, I understand the desire to drop all of the new r3s, but what about the people that gained a genuine r9 -- after many nights of hard, hard work?

but uh, I look at rank as a basic assumption of how well you know the halls maps, and at r9+ simply assuming you know builds very well.

onilink · Feb 11, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

But wouldn't it make more sense to ask the new group-joiner to explain his/her role in the build you are running, thus making sure that he/she knows what they are doing? Anyone can grind in iway night after night and get to rank 3, 6 whatever, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they know about the different maps and strategies.

Celios · Feb 11, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Lady Frost Bite

I wouldn't worry about rank much anyway cause from what i understand fame is being reset when chapter 2 comes out cause of all the news ways you can get it..

Never gonna happen. The whole idea behind creating the battle isles was to make the PvP experience completely chapter-independent. Chapter 2 is an add-on/standalone not a do-over.

Gildor Took · Feb 11, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

yeah, the rank system is crewed up. I pvped a bit and mainly got around 100 fame in the pre- iway days. Then i got bored of smite teams and ranger spirit teams so i went back to pve. In the last couple of weeks while trying to get to that lofty goal of rank3 ive only got 12 fame. So i decide to try a bit of iway it sucks unless i want to try 100's of times just to get a small amount of fame. Anyway i decide to join a non iway team and guess what there are none that are unranked. Probably by the time i get to rank 3 i won't be able to get into groups because rank 3 will be like unranked and rank 6 will be like rank 3

Sagius Truthbarron · Feb 11, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

I'm rank 5 and I can't even find an IWAY group. >.>

Wasn't the goal of Guild Wars to eliminate grind? Isn't Rank grind? I mean, its not some big, gigantic thing to be rank 6. If you want a good group you -have- to be rank 6, unless you are in a PvP only guild. If you want Rank 6 you need 1000 fame. Without a rank 6+ non-guild group you can't get fame, or atleast not very much of it.

The formula here is Rank 6 = 1000 fame x Rank 0-3 pugs = 1000 or more games. Whats that about? 1000 games to get into a decent group? So you have to be a fanatic just to PvP? I mean, the best group I was ever in could only get about 34 fame in 6 hours.

Vermilion Okeanos · Feb 11, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

Why are people talking about how l33t or how lame or how horrible IWAY is in this topic? That's off-topic.
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I realy hope Anet do something about the pointless discrimination. People are not getting reward for having high rank (I believe award was the orginal concept for high rank), instead what really happened is that people are being punished for not having high rank.

I made to rank 3 in the 1st/2nd (dont remember exactly) month of GW release, and had decide to leave tomb for the ridiculous fotm builds ranging from Air spike -> IWAY. Although the real turn down was it that those matches were too time consuming to get a team going, I felt that it was not worth it.

Now I am consider a noob because of the rank I have. Oh well, w/e.

SilentAssassin · Feb 11, 2006, 11:09 AM // 11:09

rank isn't a grind...

I agree its darn stupid that ppl care so much about rank, they should make the emote not visible in PvP areas...

I agree that most of the time rank does mean that you are a bit familiar with the maps of HA, but these r3-6+ groups only want to farm fame nothing more... do you really want to join a group like this?

I've farmed with iway 1 day to finally get the last 30 fame for rank and I've done it with IWAY wich was alot of fun. Ppl saying that IWAY doesn't get far and only wins the first 2 games doesn't know what they are saying, I've been in hall of heroes 3 times in 1 day with IWAY and guess what all the ppl I played with were not even rank 1, we had alot of fun.

The only tip I can give ya, keep searching and you will find some fun groups

again: pls A.net make rank emotes not visible in PvP areas. I've seen a r6 who never was in the relic map

can you believe that??

Vermilion Okeanos · Feb 11, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

I've seen a r6 who never was in the relic map

can you believe that??

That's amazing.... How is that possible? You sure the guy wasn't joking? Ebay? Little brother playing?

SilentAssassin · Feb 11, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

no I am not joking, he was in my group and we went in the relic map and you could see he didn't knew what to do, really funny.

He was like, what is that here? and everybody goes like: Hunk? you kidding? and you could hear in TS that he was serious.

That really made my day actually

Revivalizt · Feb 11, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

I thank God for iway ..
in a way ... it forces ppl to think creatively to make an anti-iway build or balance... thus .. this is what anet wants .. GW isnt about how much time u spent the better u are . its about being creative in making ur build,picking your right skills and understand ur defense and offense.
Power to the people !

Rilder · Feb 11, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Has anyone besides me actually snuck into a ranked team?... i've done that about 5 times before....

anyways Rank is preventing rank increase by itself, because if your not high enough rank then your a noob to every noob in HA who thinks rank is 1337... i bet half of the people in those ranked teams are ebayers

Cronos Khan · Feb 11, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Has anyone besides me actually snuck into a ranked team?... i've done that about 5 times before....

Oh i've done it before as well.....hell the ranked guys suck compared to the unranked people! lol

I'm just glad to be R2 without using a W/R for IWAY...

Excer · Feb 11, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

again: pls A.net make rank emotes not visible in PvP areas. I've seen a r6 who never was in the relic map

can you believe that??

i think it would be better if /rank displays a team message saying how much fame you have, and if you have r3 or r6 or whatever, you get the emote too. that way, people with fame but no rank can still be recognized.

anyways, all of you who are saying that all the ranked people make getting ranked impossible are contradicting yourselves. if its imposible to get ranked, how did the r3+ people get ranked in the first place? you may say that they grinded for it. but then hey, why cant u group with the people that are grinding for it nowadays?

anyways, i've never noticed the lack of unranked IWAY teams. i see them a lot. and yes, its tru that MOST ranked iway teams do better. i've been to the hall a few times with unranked, but i've only actually held the hall with ranked groups.

PS: dont think i'm one of those people who think unranked people are noobs, cuz i still play in unranked teams a lot